Okay, I'm neither a PS2 fanboy nor a GCN fanboy, so I'll lay this to you flat. There are an EQUAL amount of games I anticipate for both consoles.

On the PS2 side there are Musashi Samurai Legend next month and (much later in the year) Kingdom Hearts 2.
On the GCN side there is Legend of Zelda coming out within the next couple of months along with Geist. (Of course the 'new' Mario is coming out...but who knows when that will be?)

See, no matter how many times someone throws the "PS2 has more good games" card at me, I always seem to find myself having to choose between a GCN game that I want and a PS2 one. Overall, that choice seems to be pretty much 50/50 (ie, Metroid Prime 2 followed by Metal Gear Solid 3. As noted above, the next four games in my scedule also split 50/50)

100th comment! I am forever inshrined in GAF history! Woohoo!

:D

I specifically said Xbox because Xbox and Gamecube have similar userbases.

All this talk of Resident Evil 4 made me go buy the game today. I don't like buying games at full price, so it better be as amazing as you all say ;)

Ryan, I don't think your Gamecube to Xbox analogy quite works here for this reason:

Say that every gamecube user also owns a ps2, and that every person who owned those two systems only purchased the Gamecube version. You're losing about 20 million potential buyers for the game, but are still left with another 55-60 million ps2 owners without a gamecube. That's still a user base that's 3 times the size of your total gamecube user base. That's the worst case scenario for the PS2 port's number of potential consumers.

Not everyone who really want to play a game is going to buy a system for it. I would like to play Halo 2, but I'm not going to buy a system that doesn't even have 5 other games out that I'm remotely interested in (and can't get on PS2 or Gamecube). I'm sure plently of people feel the same way about the Resident Evil 4 and the gamecube.

Was there fighting? And over what? I still cant figure it out... 90+ woot woot! Lets break 100! I think the game should be canceled. No reason to backtrack, no reason to make halflife 2 run on dreamcast. Sure it will hit a bigger market, but the people that want to play resident evil 4 will find a way on their own, giving them a crappy version of the game wont help at all, especailly to the people who really want it. If you want to play halo2, you'll buy an xbox and play it. If it came out on PS2, sales might increase, but all the work changin the graphics wouldnt pay off in the end. I hope that made sense =P

Ps2 is inferior yes, it's been out well over a year b4 any of the competetion. also, having graphic powerhouses like nvidia and ati powering their consoles doesn't hurt either. and yet the little engine that could(emotion)is still pushing developers to do new things like ubisoft with geoshading.

resident evil is being ported to an inferior(graphic wise) console. if you've played the gamcecube version there's probably no reason to go out and get the ps2 version, if you only have a ps2 you probably wont know what your missing. if it ends up not being as good it's capcoms fault for trying not, sony's fault for being older and going with in house graphics.

Ok, I've never felt the need to post before, though I have visited this site many times, and I do love what they do. I'm not a fanboy, I love and hate both Sony, and Nintendo, for different reasons. In regard to the "SNES is the most powerful console ever":

Yes, I agree, Gameplay IS at the top of the list of what's important to me, but for games like RE4, graphics, lighting, sound, etc: It's all needed to create the right mood. Some games just couldn't have been made 10 years ago, and if they were, they wouldn't have been such great games. Playing Fatal Frame (For instance) on the SNES would have been a horrible idea.

Now concering the issue of the PS2 port for RE4:

I don't find the article slapping Sony and sucking up to Nintendo, though he could have easily done that. I like GAF, they have articles about PS2, X-Box, DS, and even N-Gage... *shudder*...sorry, that happens against my will...

On Designed obsolescence:

Everyone HAS to design systems to work for a certain ammount of time, so I guess everyone is designing their systems to break at a certain point. Now, I'm not saying they do this to make you buy new systems, but they can't make systems last forever (especially with CDs because of the moving parts). I've heard stories about PS2s breaking far more often than X-Box or Gamecube but it COULD be due to the fact that the system is far older than the other two, can't it?

Oh, and just a random note:
Anybody play the Megaman Anaversary Collection? I loved how Capcom gave the game such great controls. From what I remember, the PS2 had the normal controls (Square for fire, X for jump) and the Gamecube got B for jump and A for fire. >_>. I heard they're going to release it for the X-Box with customisable controls so in the end, I'll probably get the X-Box version. I have a friend with the PS2 and one with a GC version =P

I love nintendo, I love sony, I love X-Box all for different reasons. There are games I love on on consoles, hell, just 2 weeks ago I was playing on the SNES, and yesterday I was on the Saturn..the SATURN.

Ok, I've never felt the need to post before, though I have visited this site many times, and I do love what they do. I'm not a fanboy, I love and hate both Sony, and Nintendo, for different reasons. In regard to the "SNES is the most powerful console ever":

Yes, I agree, Gameplay IS at the top of the list of what's important to me, but for games like RE4, graphics, lighting, sound, etc: It's all needed to create the right mood. Some games just couldn't have been made 10 years ago, and if they were, they wouldn't have been such great games. Playing Fatal Frame (For instance) on the SNES would have been a horrible idea.

Now concering the issue of the PS2 port for RE4:

I don't find the article slapping Sony and sucking up to Nintendo, though he could have easily done that. I like GAF, they have articles about PS2, X-Box, DS, and even N-Gage... *shudder*...sorry, that happens against my will...

On Designed obsolescence:

Everyone HAS to design systems to work for a certain ammount of time, so I guess everyone is designing their systems to break at a certain point. Now, I'm not saying they do this to make you buy new systems, but they can't make systems last forever (especially with CDs because of the moving parts). I've heard stories about PS2s breaking far more often than X-Box or Gamecube but it COULD be due to the fact that the system is far older than the other two, can't it?

Oh, and just a random note:
Anybody play the Megaman Anaversary Collection? I loved how Capcom gave the game such great controls. From what I remember, the PS2 had the normal controls (Square for fire, X for jump) and the Gamecube got B for jump and A for fire. >_>. I heard they're going to release it for the X-Box with customisable controls so in the end, I'll probably get the X-Box version. I have a friend with the PS2 and one with a GC version =P

I love nintendo, I love sony, I love X-Box all for different reasons. There are games I love on on consoles, hell, just 2 weeks ago I was playing on the SNES, and yesterday I was on the Saturn..the SATURN.

Just so everyone knows, this story has yet to appear on Gamespot or IGN... hmmm... can we say journalistic bias? Once again this affirms GAF's status are not only the best, but most well rounded news reporting, let's just hope it doesn't get bought out by EA....

You're ALL Wrong; the most powerful system on earth is the SNES. Best Games Ever.

Or did you all forget in your high-industry terminology that "Electronic Entertainment Software" used to be called "Videogames"? Emphasis on 'games'. As long as companies continue to dazzle people with system specs and fancy graphics effects, they will also continue to put out crap that can't push the envelope, or even reach the bar at all, in terms of fun factor, we're never going to move forward.

I hate to say it, but if the industry was doing it's job properly, there wouldn't even be 'retrogaming'; we'd have moved on to new challenges and games.

That being said, RE4 was very impressive, very fun, and very against the norm (which has been shovelware at best). This whole argument of porting games is part of the hazy industry-politics meant to distract you from the fact that 80% of the games coming out are compeletely unplayable. Show me a list of the last year's games, and I'll show you maybe one or two a month actually worth playing.

Port RE4, I hope it sells well. Maybe it will encourage further development towards great games. If it runs like crap, well... there will always be fanboys and there will always be whining. As long as the industry moves in the direction of RE4, awesome.

Comeon, people. You can't compare GT4 to RE4. The textures in racing games are rarely that detailed. You can't say, "Well, RE4 looks better than Riddick, so they could easily port that to the Cube!" It doesn't work that way.

Coming from someone whose PS2 had DRE problems, and from someone whose friends' PS2s have suffered this same fate:

He's right. They ARE built to break.

I'm a Nintendo fanboy.

Tends to happen when you're raised on Zelda, Mario, and Metroid, and those games can give you a warm fuzzy feeling no other games can.

Also, on this issue:
hee hee.

-The only reason RE was moved to GC exclusive was because Mikami is a stuck-up asshat who hates Sony (radio fiasco anyone?)

No, he's not "stuck-up". He knows PS2 can NOT do the game the way he wants it and knows how much Sony has been s*** for a while.

A port from a superior console to an inferior one is never easy. Despite that, I think this is a bit too harsh on the PS2 and Capcom's decision to port.

-There's nine freaking months left til release for PS2
-Rather than stuffing the GC version onto the PS2, there's a crapload more that Capcom can do in coding and optimizing
-If they can pull a GT4 on a PS2, they can pull RE4 on a PS2
-We don't know the full features list that will be added to the PS2 port

As for the decision itself: I'm not a such RE fan, never was, maybe will if RE4 is as evolutionary as said. I think it's great that it's being ported. Why?

-The only reason RE was moved to GC exclusive was because Mikami is a stuck-up asshat who hates Sony (radio fiasco anyone?)
-Capcom's gonna die. They haven't turned profit in just how many years? They can choose to stay exclusive and join Mikami on the sinking ship or try and save itself. I vote that this company, who's brought us such greats such as Street Fighter and Devil May Cry LIVE.

So, Nintendo's not going to die because RE4 is ported. Capcom's going to die if RE4 isn't ported. Nintendo's still staying afloat in profits and all while Capcom's dying because Mikami doesn't have a single clue about how to run a company.

To Gon

The thing about exclusitivity is that it helps to determine which of the 3 consoles someone wants to buy if they only have the choice of one console. Having a game exclusive to a certain console (assuming it's a good game) can really give a company like Sony the advantage in the fight for consumers to buy their product. While Sony gets tons of exclusive titles, Nintendo hardly gets any these days, and then when they do it seems like it always ends up on PS2 later, which is kind of a bummer to Nintendo fans because that's less customers that would have bought a Gamecube in order to get said game 'cause they'll just wait for the PS2 version, no matter how inferior the port may be.

The main reason I wish to lend my support to Nintendo (though I also own and buy several PS2 games) is because I love Nintendo games and wish for them to continue making exceptional games, but I believe that if they're ousted from the console wars like Sega eventually was, the quality of their games will suffer due to lack of motivation from making specific software for a specific system of their own.

Take a look at Sega for example. During the 1990s, Sega was responsible for some of the most enjoyable games ever created and they were a remarkable company that had a profound influence on setting trends throughout the rest of the gaming community. However when they were forced to leave the hardware race and stick primarily to software, their games started to fall apart. It pains me to admit that the past couple of Sonic games have royally sucked, and I'm one of the biggest Sonic the Hedgehog fans there is. But it's true, they were not very good, nor have most of Sega's offerings been as of late, and I think a *lot* of it has to do with motivation. Now that they're not developing software for their own system, they're just not as inspired anymore. And I fear that if the same thing happens to Nintendo, they may share a similar fate.

I don't want to see the day where a Zelda game comes out and it sucks. But my main issue is that it seems that most journalistic gaming sites and magazines are trying to get rid of Nintendo themselves with poor and unfair coverage rather than letting them fail on their own. If Nintendo's games and systems falter on their own, than it can't be helped, but I can not stand idly by while sites and magazines downplay everything Nintendo does simply because the Sony system is sexier looking. That kind of journalism disgusts me.

I'm sorry I seem to have sidetracked from my original intent and I apologize for that. My main point is that I think Nintendo is being treated very unfairly by the gaming press and it's resulting in poor sales for Nintendo which results in inferior ports of games to Sony's system.

I guess I'm done.

That could be true, but the difference between 30 and 60 fps is certainly perceivable by anyone. Someone who's played fast paced games such as racers or fighters can clearly tell the difference. Slower paced games which are less action oriented are harder to notice.

well to be fair you didn't need to bold inferior.

Did Josh just defend Sony hardware? :-O

*runs*

:-p

you people are all ignoring the fact that I called this "Mr. Ryan" on his broken bold tag and he in turn enacted a conspiracy to cover that up.

That isn't true. Check out these links, one of which goes into great detail about the subject. Through military testing, it was shown that humans can perceive beyond 200 fps.

Quick answer:
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php?id=574

Long Answer:
http://www.amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

I am not sure what the big deal is here, Gamecube entered development after PS2 was nearly completed and was released a whole year and a half later (in Japan, so of course ir will have superior hardware, if it didn't then it would have been the worst designed thing ever.

Secondly why do people care about exclusivity and all that crap? Does RE4 on PS2 effect you as a person just because it was on GC first? I didn't think so. I’ll never understand this fan boy mentality to think that if one game is not exclusive of a console they like it is the end of the world as we know it. I preordered RE4 for gc because it looked like a good game, and it was. Luckily I own a PS2 and a Gamecube so I can play a wide selection of games, some people don’t have the time or money for two big name consoles so I think multiple platform releases are good. Aside from 1st party titles I think most games should be multi console and if they are online compatible it should be cross console, unfortunately this isn’t the case.

Everyone has an inherent bias as it is. I can deal with it, and ignore it when it seems ridiculous. When bias starts skewing the actual facts, that's when there's a problem.

I have a few random comments to add

- You can't blame Capcom for wanting to make a profit on their games. When they announced that the Resident Evil series was going to the Gamecube, the system wasn't even launched yet. How would they (or anyone else) have known that this generation would show such a lopsidedness in individual console sales. The Resident Evil series lost 60% of its sales when it jumped over to Nintendo, Resident Evil 4 was obviously an expensive project, and there is nearly 5 times as many potential customers on the PS2. It's no wonder Capcom is going to port this title.

- Metal Gear was on the original Nintendo, but I think you are overestimating the number of people who bought MGS due to warm and fuzzy memories of the original. I have been a gamer for about 15 years now, and had an NES when they were still popular. Until gaming magazines pointed it out, I had never even heard of an NES Metal Gear. Metal Gear for the NES was definitely no where near Contra of Castlevania in terms of popularity. If you want series that were 'stolen' from nintendo by the Playstation brand, I'd mention Megaman X or the majority of SNES rpg series (Breath of Fire, Star Ocean, etc) instead.

- For multi-console games, PS2 ALWAYS has the worst graphics, texturing, etc. Even considering that, the playstation 2 version of a given title is the best selling version 9 times out of ten. Casual Gamers who don't own a Gamecube are not going to turn away RE4 simply because it is a graphically inferior port. Most hardcore gamers already have RE4 and a Gamecube, so I don't see how this port affects them. The only people upset over a potential port are Nintendo loyalist.

- If graphics are comparable to Metal Gear Solid 3, then the game won't look THAT bad, even if it won't be as nice as the Gamecube original. Anyone who though MGS3 looked like a "sketchy dreamcast game" should either play MGS3 or break out their dusty dreamcast's and realize that DC games haven't aged as eloquently as they may have remembered.

Bottom line, if you don't think that the PS2 version will be any good, don't buy it. A crappy PS2 does not negate the awesome Gamecube version.

Our eyes most certainly can tell the difference. It's said that the MININUM needed for our eyes to percieve motion from still images is around 20-24 fps. Studies have shown the ability of humans to recognize differences over 100 fps.

haha, all I know is that there is no way this will run on any PS2 that I know of.

Oh. To my understanding, so much was included in the GC version, that the framerate would drop in the PS2 version.

It all makes sense now, thanks Josh! If the GC version runs at 30, the PS2 version will run at 10! Brilliant!

If I didn't emphasize the lacking PS2 hardware, it might be taken as Capcom being biased.

GAF loves Capcom, Capcom Reps.

I comment on my own articles because I have just cause to defend them. And I love the attention, more than you could imagine.

Love love love makes the world go roun'

Man Drum, everyone seems to love me. I fail to see the problem when even the people that opposed my article now support it as I've explained it. I win this one, no matter what.

I'm pretty sure that Resident Evil 4, one of the most incredible games in recent years, would be selling at least twice as well in Japan if Capcom hadn't announced a PS2 port BEFORE the release of the GC version.

And for a lot of the people who read this site and think it's totally Nintendo biased... while I admit that many of the articles on this site lean towards Nintendo (especially this article), if all the other sites/magazines have the right to lean heavily Sony/Microsoft and give Nintendo hardly any coverage (or always give Nintendo a negative spin in their articles as I stated in a previous comment), GamesAreFun is more than entitled to show the Nintendo side of things.

I personally give GamesAreFun a lot of respect for being one of the few sites that actually gives Nintendo at least equal coverage as Sony and Microsoft, where I see to many other news outlets practically sucking Sony and Microsoft's perverbial dicks (I'm especially sighting EGM here, but others such as Daily Radar annoy me as well). I'm about equal coverage as well, and that INCLUDES showing the Nintendo side of things. Don't like the Nintendo side of things?

Read EGM.

RE4 on the GCN is 30fps...the whole article is BS

Final Fantasy? Maybe. That was Nintendo's fault though for sticking with carts. Metal Gear? You don't have a clue what you're talking about. The Metal Gear series started on the MSX, and also had the far superior versions than the NES ones. The NES didn't even have Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. Instead, it had the crappy Snake's Revenge, which Kojima doesn't even recognize as a Metal Gear game.

Wow..This turning into a PS2 vs. Gamecube arguement. Who would have thought. =P


But honestly, I saw the PS2 version being inferior from a mile away. I didn't think it would be THAT bad though. At this rate, it will end up looking like a sketchy dreamcast game. RE4 should stay on Gamecube. Just let Nintendo have it.

I don't see how the GC is being treated unfairly. The RE fanbase was on the original Playstation to begin with. If anyone got treated unfairly, it's the Sony fans who had one of their main franchises ripped away from them. Capcom knew they made a mistake financially with that decision, which is why they're putting the series back on PS2 as well.

Well, this news comes as no surprise, but it's still fun to point and laugh. I'm glad I own a Gamecube.

Not to say PS2 is bad though. It runs Gradius V just fine, so I'm happy.

Personally, I believe Capcom treated the cube unfairly in this instance. If they can't make a decent port of RE4 on its unintended system, then they should be flamed to all hell for announcing a port of the game mere weeks before its release. Personally, I applaud GAF for being critical of Sony and their hardware. Ive spent nearly 500 dollars on PS2s in my life. Screw sony and the corporations that bend over and take it in for them. After the PSX they have hardly seemed like they want praise from the gaming community and their attitude shows this.

See, fadyk, that Dreamcast idea would have definitely been biased and mean spirited. Now, do you feel better that I didn't go overboard?

Look, you're crazy if you think IGN isn't biased. Just look at their friggin' DS coverage. I swear, every article has maybe one paragraph in which they actually discuss the DS, and everything else is a PSP endorsement. They even skewed facts ("It was a boring launch, as the overall effect of every system launch is accurately measured by the sales at one corner electronics store at 7:00 in a freaking winter morning, even if Famitsu has actual photgraphs of people lined up around corners to get theirs.").

IGN even makes attempts to be biased. They make known, public attempts to do it, and then fail when it comes to say, a nintendo bias.

Wait. You never notice biases at Gamespot or IGN?

Not really actually...i never notice these trends at Gamespot, IGN, the-magicbox, and such. So im sure GAF can do the same, and that should be taken as an encouragement actually.

Well, i guess well have to wait and see as there is still more than half a year left for the port. I understand you were merely passing down the facts, but if you just did it in a more positive sense next time. I wont think lowly of GAF and i actually look forward to see what your next articles will be like and if possible, a positive article about a PS2 port of RE4 in the coming weeks.

Keep up the good work with bringing the news, though.

I emphasized the facts. If my use of bolding offended you, please do not think lowly of GAF. I'm sure this mixes well with the common perception we are Nintendo fanboys. I assure you, this is not the case.

No sir, the facts made it sound like there is no hope for a good PS2 port. I did not speak with a passion.

You just sounded way too biased, and thats not really great when youre part of a multi-platform site. You made it sound like there is no hope for a good PS2 port, and you said it with a passion, or at least gave that impression.

Sir, I have bought many Sony products. What was low about pointing out that the system was inferior? In that mind, it saved a flame war about Capcom being biased or not working hard. I did not intend it to be funny, I merely presented facts. I am sure Capcom can still pull out a very quality title in the PS2 version of Resi 4. I never said they couldn't. I just merely stated that all odds are in the favor of difficulty.

Even if the PS2 is an inferior console graphics-wise, it still has way more quality games than the Gamecube which makes the PS2 more worth it to own. I'm not going to play SSBM until 2006.

LOL Ryan!!!

Seroiusly. This is a big issue that may cancel tha game. Which is cool with me. PS2 fans had their fun for a while. Now it time for them to shut up.

Where is the broken tag?

GAF isn't all nintendo fanboys, staff or readers. I hate Nintendo with a passion!

::points to my reviews of 3 GBA games, a DS game, and a GC game all on the main page::

Instead of "Good news for Nintendo fanboys"... shouldn't that say "Good news for GAF readers"... ? LOL