hahaha sad but so true...

and for the ladies a Cloud and Sephiroth could make a few house calls...XD

sirsniffy. That sounds awfully like a "behind the scenes" version of FF7. It does sound like a good idea enough, but chances are the release of the FF7 spin off products would fullfill most of those requirements in one way or another whether it is delving into someone's past or playing an alternate path taken by NPCs in FF7.

If there is a FFVII remake in the works(and SE never came out and said that there is), I think they should add some more playable characters(like Bugenhagen,a moogle, Reeve, and Marlene) . How you ask?

They could make it a story being told to children by an NPC from the first game. Naturally, things would be a little different, but overall they could keep the same storyline and important parts, while adding a few things. Sort of like FFVII:Alter Code F. I would also add a Sephiroth mission, and some character specific minigames that had to be won in the game. A Barrett First Person shooting minigame, A Tifa Streetfighter esque brawler minigame, A Yuffie Dance Dance Rev style minigame, etc.

It doesn't HAVE to be the same FFVII you played if they do it as an eyewitness account of events.

Look I wasnt the one making a big deal about it all I did was to provide a link and explain the information in it. Frankly calling me a fanboy of FFVII is rediculouis because its been collecting dust in room for for years and i havent even gotten past disc 1 if i remember correctly.

So stop putting words in my mouth i was just leaving a comment with information in it and using logic to get the point of it across. and i had and still hve let it go in the first place but the rambling and cursing might make a lesser man a bit peeved.

@thehawk: hahah thats awesome...an easter egg to that quest would be reviving a deformed Zack with the brains of a chocobo. Thats screwing with ones mind right there.

I just wondered why i couldn't use a phoenix down on Aeirith when she was "killed". I mean, she died plenty of times on my before and had no problem coming back to life.

I would LIKE to see a remake. But I admit I will probobly NOT play through it. Maybe just to look at pretty pictures.

lol @ thehawk


awesome, just awesome.

no, you're trying to support your masturbatory fanboy theories of "lol it might be possible aeris can be rezzeddddd!!!!!!!!!!!:"

What the f***, is it 1998 all over again? That rumor had enough play 8 years ago. Get the f*** over it.

Nintendo's Virtual Console emulates the NES, SNES, and Genesis systems. It's one thing for the Wii to run SNES games and another to run PSX games.

besides why spend 250-300$ on the Wii to play
FF VI & VII when I can walk to my shelf pull down my 6 year old Greatest Hits copy pop it in my PSone or PStwo.

also at this point it doesn't matter if FFVII was rushed and Aerith was supposed to be resurrected it's been 9 years and Advent Children changed nothing to that fact, only Kingdom Hearts makes me wonder "what the &@?@ is Aerith doing here and why isn't Yuffie wierded out?"

...

Im just trying to point out the fact that:

A. The Game was unfinished in the first place

B. Aeris might have supposed to live longer in the game than she did and due to time contraints and deadlines was killed off earlier than expected.

Nice to see everyone's in a good mood though.

¬_¬

uh, if you think aeris could be revived, you're missing the entire point of ff7.

when you die, you become a part of the lifestream. you can't be revived. you are one with the planet again. your energy is then used to create new life (trees, animals, people, etc).

that is why avalanche wants to stop the mako reactors, because it's sucking up that energy, and the planet is slowly dying because it can't create new life.

i just played the game again not five minutes ago and this was blatantly obvious.

the bitch is dead, accept it.

*possible spoilers for Advent Children, beware!*


(Just to be nice...)

I'd agree with what I think mahew was getting at (or at least starting to)... Even if Aerith had been intended to be resurrected originally, I doubt they'd do it in a remake, unless it was in a special "after Advent Children" epilogue. Otherwise, it'd screw with Advent Children and her "spiritual" appearances.

I mean, it's pretty obvious in that movie that when she appears, it's as a "spirit" or memory or even hallucination of some sort, and not as a real, in-the-flesh person. If they then go and remake FFVII and actually ressurect her before that time frame, it totally screws up the huge movie they spent years making, so... I don't think that's gonna happen. Unless they as I said make it in an epilogue that takes place a few years after the traditional ending of FFVII, or unless they resurrect her but twist things in a way that she's still somehow spiritual in some aspects, and probably Cloud and the others don't realize she's alive again. Or something.

Nice thought, though. *sigh*

@geo: Almost _every single game_ is "rushed and incomplete". Game creators have to put a stop somewhere to please the publishers and get the product out of the door. Games, movies, books, all creations change in their creation process, especially when it's a long work. Aerith may have been originally meant to be resurrected, but in the end, she wasn't. That's not reason good enough to remake the entire game, and it would also change the game very significantly. If the remake ever occurs, Aerith is likely to stay dead, just for continuity purposes (Compliation of FF7) alone.

Don't pretend you're not making it, Square. We all know it's just a matter of time.

I bet there will be a remake, just as a huge suprise. I mean the amount of attention SE gives to stating there is no remake seems like a cover up.

"Like the Soul Blazer trilogy."

Virtual Console. Or put ZSNES and some ROMs on the PS3's Linux distro, assuming you own the originals.

Though a remake of that trilogy WOULD be nice, as long as they can get as many members from the original team as possible to handle it. It wouldn't be the Creation trilogy without the original writer and director.

Squeenix needs to stop f'n thinking about re-re-releasing all these Final Fantasies and go and port some Enix gems. Like the Soul Blazer trilogy. Not this potential FFVII crap.

Very good arguments from both sides regarding whether they want a remake or not. However, as FF7 is one of my favourite games of all time, I must say I hope they do make a remake. Watching Advent Children only fuelled this further for me as I also loved the film. Imagine besides the incredible graphics what could be done. Some examples could include:

1) All characters have an extra level 4 limit break e.g. Cloud will have the one he does against Sephiroth in AC (best limit break ever..)

2) New materia, items, locations, monsters, etc...

3) Extra secrets along with new bosses harder than Emerald and Ruby.

4) Move around like in FF10 along with updating the battle system.

5) Voice acting (same cast used for AC)!

These would be enough to satisfy me.

The thing is why would anyone want to have FF7 be remade? I mean why mess with perceieved perfection for the sake of a few polygons?

If any FF game was to be remade it would have to be either 5 or 6 and this isn't because I'm some monstourous Old Skool fogey or FF6 fan...but because these were games that were great, but could be better by a large amount rather than the mere frog hop that would be FF7 -> FF7 remake. For me, FF7: AC *was* the FF7 remake. Usually remakes result in either:

1) An entire revamp of the story/content ala Castlevania 4.
2) The same stuff in the game but with extras ala FF-GBA versions, Tales of Phantasia, Resident Evil 1 for GC, etc.

Considering that a lot of fans consider FF7 to be perfect anyways, Squaresoft couldn't possibly use option #1 because it's not good business sense. For option #2...it'd basically be FF7 with AC graphics...and a playable AC part after the original FF7 game. Sadly AC had already filled that void with a money making non-interactive movie so we really don't need to have it done a second time.

The other point...why in the hell would you want to make an FF7 remake when anything remotely related to it will be gobbled up by fans anyways or using the same resources to just make a new FF in the first place?

To me a remake means so much more than just a copy but with better graphics or more shiny objects. A reinterpreatation is what FF6 really needs because unlike FF7, FF6's story IMHO has leeway to be revamped and would probably exhibit less backlash to any drastic storyline changes. Not to mention look at some of the scenes that would look incredible if done proper in 3D. With General Leo dying...to anyone who wasn't following the story, what did Kefka really look like he was doing? Brokebacking it up with Leo....had it not been for the big red screen flashing in our faces, one would think that he just ruptuered his anus and Leo died from bleeding to death.

Another thing is just imagine some of the things that Squaresoft can do with some of the potential remakes with the FF series. I mean since FF: AC came out, there's no turning back for Squaresoft...if they ever wanted to make a FF7 remake it will have to be of FF:AC quality, if not better. Not only that, they basically pidgeioned holed themselves into a specific character design in which they could make few if not no adjustments at all.

But with FF6, just imagine the possiblities. Just imagine how they could experiement with graphical styles how it could be something entirely different from what we've seen of the Post FF7's and something...dare I say it...very Amano like. Instead of hard and realstic polygons, imagine more natural, wispy something we've never seen before. Squaresoft could be a leader in gaming styles and character design and the risk is minimized because they already have one foot in the door with the remake of a beloved game. Chances are they'll only get more fans than lose the ones they already have.

I dunno it seems weird to me that Squaresoft has announced they want to make FF13 a memorable FF and is going to keep it memorable by expanding it over the next few years. Perhaps they are taking a Xenosaga/.hack route. With FF7 I could see the reasoning behind it...but with FF13? Doesn't it seem premature to really put all your eggs in one basket?

It would be worse if PS3 was the only one that has that happen. The DS is about $190 here, Xbox 360 Premium is $530 (419%u20AC) and PSP was over 300 dollars. So it's not only with PS3, but a common "problem" in Europe. Still, we don't complain (although we should).

I guess it's a mental thing. It "feels" the same to pay 500%u20AC as it does $500. When you put it like "500%u20AC is $620", it's a bit worse. But I try not to think about it (with every console and game). Even the games are about 60 dollars when bought new from the cheapest place (which is Play.com), and it's quite normal for a game to be 75 dollars, if you don't use Play.com.

Ha! A big fat slap on Best Buy's face from Square Enix themselves!

SE may eventually cave in to all the demand, especially when FF13 is closer to completion, but for now, there is no FF7 remake.

animus, you completely missed the point. Final Fantasy 1-3 were NES games, 4-6 SNES games, and yet 5 of those 6 titles could also be called Playstation games. funny you should mention Metal Gear Solid, because the original was ported to the Cube, and MGS2: Substance was ported to the Xbox. the game may have originated on the PS1&2, but it is not JUST a Playstation game. further, saying a Nintendo fan wouldn't be nostalgic for FF7 is like saying a Playstation 1 fan wouldn't be nostalgic for Super Mario Bros 3. there are PLENTY of people who buy more than one console, despite having a favorite overall. pigeon holing game players is what's irrelevant. I would find it hard to believe finding anyone who has ONLY played the offerings of just one company. the game sold 9.72 million copies worldwide as of December of 05, that's more than any other FF title, for those counting.

I am sure Square will continue to milk FFVII as long as they can, and hell, I might be convinced to go through the game again if they fixed some of the glaring issues with the original. with a cleaned up translation, it would sort of be like reading a novel that a movie was based on; you already know what will happen, but you're seeing things in a new way.

personally, I would rather see the new version of FF3 for the DS and the remake of FF6 wih new goodies. let's face it, the Final Fantasy cash cow Square is milking is FAR from running dry.

""Just like how FF VI is a Nintendo game and we will never see it on a Sony platform... oh wait..."

Totally irrelevant. Despite what it may seem, companies DO see their games as belonging on certain platforms or with certain companies. Look at Kojima; he says he believes MGS is a Playstation game, so he doesn't want to make cross-platform ports. It is extremely unlikely Nintendo fans would be interested in an FF7 remake. They aren't nostalgic for it."

Kojima said that because that is what Metal Gear Solid fits best because of the fan base. That is HIS decision. Also you should know Nintendo had much tighter agreements back in the days of the SNES. I don't know what those things entail for either Sony or Nintendo. If I did I would give you hard evidence. But I can't so this is pointless. WOOT!

"Not even. 1 1/2 to 2 years. Game development begins with scenario planning and script writing, which takes months on its own. An FF7 remake would have the luxury of all the planning work having already been finished, significantly cutting down development time. The art team would have an easier time too, since the look of FF7 is already finalized."

This is also very true in most circumstances. But I also believe that it would take longer than this for a FFVII remake for a reason I touched upon before, the expectations of quality for the remake. Simply slapping a fresh coat of paint on it like a Dragon Quest remake wouldn't be enough to satisfy the rabid fanbase, which would push the normal development cycle for a title further.

In addition, this is also assuming they started the project like, right now. Considering that Nomura is busy with XIII, I'm pretty sure they're going to wait for him to finish with that first, which probably at least another year. 2-3 years plus 1 more... and again, I'm just making guesses based on well, assumptions. I could be proven totally wrong and SE could announced at the TGS that it's not only in the works, it's coming out in 2007 for it's 10th birthday!

I just don't think it's likely is all.

"The game could receive a remake, but lets be serious, it hasn't even reached its 10th anniversery."

We're not far away from its 10th anniversary. The game came out in 1997.

... Not to mention Starcraft Ghost.

Considering the fact that a FFVII remake has always been just speculation, I can't say this is much of a surprise.

The game could receive a remake, but lets be serious, it hasn't even reached its 10th anniversery. Nor would it make sense to drop a boat load of money into development of a remake right now, when they could reuse the original engine they are creating from XIII to help keep costs of a remake down.

But I still wouldn't actually see this game coming down the line for a while.

"Indeed. But games take years to develop. Many of those 250 titles won't see release until 2-3 years down the road. A developer abandoning their PS3 projects because of the system's launch price is being shortsighted."

True, and I'm not saying that SE will abandon XIII since it's already in development and will probably debut a year after the system's release. But because of the PS3's power over it's competetors, if the PS3 is a miserable failure 2-3 years down the road, all of that work will be (virtually) wasted, because porting all that work to the 360 or Wii would require the developer to downgrade their game to work on those systems, which would cost even more time and money. Trust me when I say it's easier to upscale a project with pleasing results than it is to downscale it with same results.

If we assume the FFVII remake project hasn't started yet (which is again, mearly an assumption), it's likely it'll take 2-3 years to develop. I'm sure SE wouldn't want to bet the farm on it unless they're 100% certain it's the most financially viable decision to put it on the PS3, which is where most people assume it would eventually go.

I can definitely see a remake of FFVII being a sort of killer app for the system though... People will want to know they're paying $500 for a good reason, and if FFVII is offered up, that would be a huge incentive. Final Fantasy, or rather FFVII in general, can pull a lot of weight when it comes to cash, and I'm sure Sony realizes that.

"3) The PS3's price. The PS3 is already taking a LOT of flak for it's $600 price tag (and I believe it's closer to $700 in Japan?), and this price tag could SERIOUSLY hurt Sony in the upcoming console wars."

We have no idea if the PS3's price has hurt its sales, seeing as how we have no sales data. It hasn't stopped developers--there are some 250 PS3 games in the works. This is a non-issue.

At this point, I think it'd honestly be a waste of time and money for Square-Enix to remake Final Fantasy VII, and here's why.

1) Money. Sure it seems easy enough to assume that the rabid FFVII fanbase would snatch two copies of this game up no problem right? Well it depends. See, FFVII is probably the most hyped game ever post-release, and thus, the expectations for the remake would be... well, more than Square-Enix probably wants to allot to make such a game. Probably around 50+ Mil. This would be split up between graphical engines, and...

2) Time. Given the constant statements and flat out denials of such a remake's existance, not to mention the proof we've seen at E3 that Nomura is already quite busy with the various XIII games being made (SE has stated in the past that if they did remake VII, Nomura would head the project), it's highly unlikely that they've actually started anything yet. Considering the development cycle it would take to *make* this game well, we're looking at probably another 2-3 years, by which time the fan-base may simply not care anymore, and the console wars might be very different at that point because of...

3) The PS3's price. The PS3 is already taking a LOT of flak for it's $600 price tag (and I believe it's closer to $700 in Japan?), and this price tag could SERIOUSLY hurt Sony in the upcoming console wars. 2-3 years from now, it might be a contest between the XBox 360 and Wii. They've already commited XIII to the PS3, so that's not going to change. But for something as costly and time-consuming as a FFVII remake, they may just want to wait a little bit to see how the PS3 actually fairs, especially in Japan.

I also honestly believe that this is also why we've not heard of an official announcement for Dragon Quest IX for the PS3, which in Japan, would be an even bigger announcement. But there's always the Tokyo Game Show, so I may just end up eating my own words.

Discuss.

"Nintendo fans can actually get moving again with the next game in the FF franchise."

Assuming there's still a gamer who hasn't played FF7, they can buy it used and load it up on a bought-for-cheap PSone or use the backwards compatibility feature on their PS2. FF7 is a Sony game; it's doubtful we'll see a remake of it on a Nintendo platform.

"eggmanimn - 6.16.2006 at 10:03:04 PM
It's not going to happen."

No, it probably will happen. We're getting 5 FFs on the GBA, a total remake on the DS. It makes sense to continue the remaking on to 7 and beyond as those games age. It's just not happening right this second.

Square isn't going to flat-out say "no" because that denies that they'd ever remake FF7. Since that's always a possibility, "we haven't announced it" is the best we'll get.

EGM wrote that piece before E3 even HAPPENED.

They wrote it in anticipation that Square would announce FF7 at E3; when they didn't, it was too late.

Egg on their face.

given that a remake of ff7 = instant monies!!!!, you can kind of consider this inevitable

Dang.

Retailers are morons these days. Having Used copies of games that arent even out for sale and whatnot. We could have at least kept hope for it but Best Buy went and ruined it for everyone. Shame.